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		<title>Comment on Mission and Prayer by Arnau van Wyngaard</title>
		<link>http://missionissues.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/mission-and-prayer/#comment-1528</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnau van Wyngaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lourens, thanks for your remarks. Praying leads to action. You pray, &quot;Thy kingdom come, thy will be done&quot; and then you get up from your knees and do something about the coming of God&#039;s kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lourens, thanks for your remarks. Praying leads to action. You pray, &#8220;Thy kingdom come, thy will be done&#8221; and then you get up from your knees and do something about the coming of God&#8217;s kingdom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mission and Prayer by Arnau van Wyngaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arnau van Wyngaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bacause our ministry is focused mainly on people with HIV and AIDS. Nowhere did I say that praying will stop HIV or AIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bacause our ministry is focused mainly on people with HIV and AIDS. Nowhere did I say that praying will stop HIV or AIDS.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mission and Prayer by alivenkickn</title>
		<link>http://missionissues.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/mission-and-prayer/#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator>alivenkickn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn´ t know that praying stopps spreading hiv and aids in africa, or why have you tagged your text under hiv and aids?
this is just irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn´ t know that praying stopps spreading hiv and aids in africa, or why have you tagged your text under hiv and aids?<br />
this is just irresponsible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mission and Prayer by Lourens Grobbelaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lourens Grobbelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 3rd sentence has an integral comma missing: No, prayer happens in obedience to God.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 3rd sentence has an integral comma missing: No, prayer happens in obedience to God&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mission and Prayer by Lourens Grobbelaar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lourens Grobbelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arno, obviously there is no recipe to guarantee our prayers will happen. That is called magic, which works through incantations. Incantations uses specific words, actions and formulas to determine results. Also if you do it wrong, heaven forbid something might happen to you, ala Ron Weasley in Harry Potter. No prayer happens in obedience to God, with a attitude of submission, which can only happening through listening to what God is saying and not what I want to hear. It is submitting to whatever we believe God wants to happen and not our own will. It is also again listening to what we think God is saying and then praying/doing that. Read Matt 6:5-8 (I&#039;m not sure about the verses), and Rom 8 on the spirit interceding for us, making sure that if we pray wrong God receives perfectly, like TV with perfect reception.

THY Kingdom come, THY will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arno, obviously there is no recipe to guarantee our prayers will happen. That is called magic, which works through incantations. Incantations uses specific words, actions and formulas to determine results. Also if you do it wrong, heaven forbid something might happen to you, ala Ron Weasley in Harry Potter. No prayer happens in obedience to God, with a attitude of submission, which can only happening through listening to what God is saying and not what I want to hear. It is submitting to whatever we believe God wants to happen and not our own will. It is also again listening to what we think God is saying and then praying/doing that. Read Matt 6:5-8 (I&#8217;m not sure about the verses), and Rom 8 on the spirit interceding for us, making sure that if we pray wrong God receives perfectly, like TV with perfect reception.</p>
<p>THY Kingdom come, THY will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Angus Buchan Phenomenon by Darlene Marois</title>
		<link>http://missionissues.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/the-angus-buchan-phenomenon/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene Marois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 
I have just finished watching the movie and then went on the internet to see what I could find out about the man.  After reading your thoughts I was reminded of the Bible verse that says &quot;The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.&quot; John 3:8 NIV.
When I read this verse I think that Jesus is trying to say that we each have a time where the Spirit leads us to be bold for the Lord and then the Spirit moves somebody else; so that every type of person is touched by someone.  When Angus&#039; time is done he will have touched the hearts that were meant to be touched and perhaps his good friend Gidi(?) will be moved by the Spirit to touch the hearts of others.
But if I were there I probably would have had similiar questions.  I do believe that God touches men&#039;s hearts in different ways than women&#039;s and that there is an order to things but this man/woman order is not Law.
Darlene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I have just finished watching the movie and then went on the internet to see what I could find out about the man.  After reading your thoughts I was reminded of the Bible verse that says &#8220;The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.&#8221; John 3:8 NIV.<br />
When I read this verse I think that Jesus is trying to say that we each have a time where the Spirit leads us to be bold for the Lord and then the Spirit moves somebody else; so that every type of person is touched by someone.  When Angus&#8217; time is done he will have touched the hearts that were meant to be touched and perhaps his good friend Gidi(?) will be moved by the Spirit to touch the hearts of others.<br />
But if I were there I probably would have had similiar questions.  I do believe that God touches men&#8217;s hearts in different ways than women&#8217;s and that there is an order to things but this man/woman order is not Law.<br />
Darlene</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Christian viewpoint on poverty by the cool name</title>
		<link>http://missionissues.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/a-christian-viewpoint-on-poverty/#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>the cool name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is cool but not what i was looking for sorry</description>
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		<title>Comment on Speaking out against injustice by Reuben James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reuben James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Determining motives for giving by Arnau</title>
		<link>http://missionissues.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/determining-motives-for-giving/#comment-1520</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Metty, it is so difficult to determine people&#039;s motives. Many really want to do good, and they see the shiny faces when handing out gifts and they honestly believe that they have done something great for God, but then it may have been the wrong thing they did. It&#039;s not easy to address these issues in a sensitive way. I, for one, don&#039;t want to chase away people with the right motives, but I do want them to concentrate on building relationships rather than just handing out goods. Thanks for your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Metty, it is so difficult to determine people&#8217;s motives. Many really want to do good, and they see the shiny faces when handing out gifts and they honestly believe that they have done something great for God, but then it may have been the wrong thing they did. It&#8217;s not easy to address these issues in a sensitive way. I, for one, don&#8217;t want to chase away people with the right motives, but I do want them to concentrate on building relationships rather than just handing out goods. Thanks for your response.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Determining motives for giving by Metty Pellicer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metty Pellicer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interested in the discussions here because it is so similar to what I had to process with my community recently, summarized in this letter I sent to the organization:
Why Did You Do That?

There is yet another grisly news of mass killing this morning, the massacre at Fort Hood. This week we heard about the serial rapist and killer with his mass graves right in his neighbor’s backyard. The media are in a frenzy interviewing experts who can shed light on the motives of the killers. We like to understand so the act will make sense to us, so we can classify it among the myriad values and attitudes that we have formed, learned from our own life experiences and observations. If we can’t classify it we are  bewildered, confused. We won’t be at ease until we peg this action into something familiar, then we can set it aside and move on, satisfied in our understanding. You see, the measure of our understanding is limited by what we are able to process as familiar. Yes, there are experiences that we share as members of a group, a culture, a country, but as individuals, we are only ourselves, and another’s schemata of a good life may be our despair, or the demise of our soul.

I often wonder about the motives of those who act in the name of charity. We are self righteous in examining the motives of criminals, do we dare examine the motives of those who volunteer in soup kitchens and homeless shelters, those who entertain “senior dependents”, those who volunteer in medical missions, those who feed the children in Africa, those who topple regimes, those who impose political ideology on a people?

People who do bad things and good things have many things in common, often their motives are the same. Take the father who sexually molests his daughter, his motive is no different from any solicitous father,i.e., to teach his daughter about life. The parents of a pregnant teenager feel right in pressuring for marriage or adoption or abortion, against the preference of their daughter, what is their motive? Often protective, to spare their daughter a life of grief. Or the tourist who gives money or gifts to children in 3rd world countries, they feel sorry for these children and want to give them some happiness. Instead they have conditioned these children to become beggars and opportunists, and now consider them an annoyance in travel. The benevolent motive by the Spaniards of christianizing the  Philippines and replacing its indigenous culture with their European civilization, killed the Filipino soul. Do we really understand the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to direct that democracy is good for them?

All I’m saying is that we should be very clear with our motives, because we can hurt with good intentions. The medical mission volunteer does it again and again because seeing the beaming and grateful faces of charity patients makes him feel good about himself, that he’s doing god’s work. He expects certain behaviour from the recipient of his charity and if he’s not clear with his motive, he might become angry if not forthcoming from his subject, and he might do something to punish them, like labeling them negatively, or changing program acceptance criteria, or changing his manner and behaviour with them , most commonly by becoming condescending, dismissive or authoritarian. What is Fil-Am’s motive in entertaining our senior citizens? Is it for Fil-Am to feel good about itself, to feel appreciated by the community? What is Fil-Am’s attitude towards our seniors? Do we see them as uninteresting, an uncreative group that needs us to provide diversion? Our seniors have a wealth of experience among themselves, living in the Philippines during times of great change and then uprooting themselves and coming to America. That required tremendous strength and resilience, and perhaps some sacrifice  from some of them. If we change how we think about our seniors, perhaps we can have programs that are senior-centered, emphasizing their rich life experience and their strength, rather than providing organization-driven services that sees them as dependent and leading monotonous lives.

 “This event is specifically designed to provide our senior dependents the opportunity to gather with their peers and break the monotony of their daily 
lives.”

“Most of them can&#039;t drive, they take care of their grandkids, and stay home most of the time. Entertaining the &quot;senior dependents&quot; is one of the services that Fil-Am provides to the Filipino community.Please don&#039;t be offended by the message. No offense was meant.”

Yes, no offense was meant but it sure hurt me and offended me. Hopefully it’s only me who reacted this way, even if as you said, it was not meant for the likes of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested in the discussions here because it is so similar to what I had to process with my community recently, summarized in this letter I sent to the organization:<br />
Why Did You Do That?</p>
<p>There is yet another grisly news of mass killing this morning, the massacre at Fort Hood. This week we heard about the serial rapist and killer with his mass graves right in his neighbor’s backyard. The media are in a frenzy interviewing experts who can shed light on the motives of the killers. We like to understand so the act will make sense to us, so we can classify it among the myriad values and attitudes that we have formed, learned from our own life experiences and observations. If we can’t classify it we are  bewildered, confused. We won’t be at ease until we peg this action into something familiar, then we can set it aside and move on, satisfied in our understanding. You see, the measure of our understanding is limited by what we are able to process as familiar. Yes, there are experiences that we share as members of a group, a culture, a country, but as individuals, we are only ourselves, and another’s schemata of a good life may be our despair, or the demise of our soul.</p>
<p>I often wonder about the motives of those who act in the name of charity. We are self righteous in examining the motives of criminals, do we dare examine the motives of those who volunteer in soup kitchens and homeless shelters, those who entertain “senior dependents”, those who volunteer in medical missions, those who feed the children in Africa, those who topple regimes, those who impose political ideology on a people?</p>
<p>People who do bad things and good things have many things in common, often their motives are the same. Take the father who sexually molests his daughter, his motive is no different from any solicitous father,i.e., to teach his daughter about life. The parents of a pregnant teenager feel right in pressuring for marriage or adoption or abortion, against the preference of their daughter, what is their motive? Often protective, to spare their daughter a life of grief. Or the tourist who gives money or gifts to children in 3rd world countries, they feel sorry for these children and want to give them some happiness. Instead they have conditioned these children to become beggars and opportunists, and now consider them an annoyance in travel. The benevolent motive by the Spaniards of christianizing the  Philippines and replacing its indigenous culture with their European civilization, killed the Filipino soul. Do we really understand the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to direct that democracy is good for them?</p>
<p>All I’m saying is that we should be very clear with our motives, because we can hurt with good intentions. The medical mission volunteer does it again and again because seeing the beaming and grateful faces of charity patients makes him feel good about himself, that he’s doing god’s work. He expects certain behaviour from the recipient of his charity and if he’s not clear with his motive, he might become angry if not forthcoming from his subject, and he might do something to punish them, like labeling them negatively, or changing program acceptance criteria, or changing his manner and behaviour with them , most commonly by becoming condescending, dismissive or authoritarian. What is Fil-Am’s motive in entertaining our senior citizens? Is it for Fil-Am to feel good about itself, to feel appreciated by the community? What is Fil-Am’s attitude towards our seniors? Do we see them as uninteresting, an uncreative group that needs us to provide diversion? Our seniors have a wealth of experience among themselves, living in the Philippines during times of great change and then uprooting themselves and coming to America. That required tremendous strength and resilience, and perhaps some sacrifice  from some of them. If we change how we think about our seniors, perhaps we can have programs that are senior-centered, emphasizing their rich life experience and their strength, rather than providing organization-driven services that sees them as dependent and leading monotonous lives.</p>
<p> “This event is specifically designed to provide our senior dependents the opportunity to gather with their peers and break the monotony of their daily<br />
lives.”</p>
<p>“Most of them can&#8217;t drive, they take care of their grandkids, and stay home most of the time. Entertaining the &#8220;senior dependents&#8221; is one of the services that Fil-Am provides to the Filipino community.Please don&#8217;t be offended by the message. No offense was meant.”</p>
<p>Yes, no offense was meant but it sure hurt me and offended me. Hopefully it’s only me who reacted this way, even if as you said, it was not meant for the likes of me.</p>
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