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The Angus Buchan Phenomenon

It seems you either love Angus Buchan, from Mighty Men Conference-fame, or you hate him. For those who don’t know whom I’m speaking about: Angus Buchan is a farmer living in the Kwazulu-Natal midlands in South Africa who started an evangelism ministry some years ago. About six or seven years ago I attended one of his services in the town where I live. I went absolutely open-minded, but left, deeply anguished by some things I saw that evening. (If you are interested in what happened, you can drop me a comment with your email address. I don’t think I should discuss it on this open forum.)
Nevertheless, I think it was in 2007 that he organised the first South African Mighty Men Conference, attended by several thousand men. Last year he pitched, what is supposed to be the largest tent in the world, on his farm and accommodated 60,000 men. As from today thousands of cars are driving to his farm again for the 2009 conference where Angus Buchan hopes to have 200,000 men attend! By the way, the book and the movie, Faith Like Potatoes, is a biography about his life.
In spite of my negative experience at his service a few years ago, I had the feeling last year that he might just be God’s man for South Africa at this time. I don’t necessarily have to agree with everything he does to believe that God can use him effectively. After the conference, which a number of people I know attended, I noticed distinct changes in the lives of many of them – changes for the better. One person, who was an absolute racist and did his utmost to break down the work we’re doing in Swaziland, came to repentance and has since contributed substantial amounts towards our work amongst people with HIV and AIDS in Swaziland. Others, who had been Christians, but living more like non-Christians, came back and a year later their lives are still fully devoted to God. Obviously, a large number also came back and returned to their old lives. I’m grateful, however, for the change in many people’s lives.
But I do have a few concerns. One of the things I suspected, is the restricted audience he has. This was confirmed yesterday when I watched a home-made DVD made by someone who had attended last year. I don’t have percentages to prove my point, but the majority by far of the people who attended, were White males. In follow-up conferences held during the rest of the year at sport stadiums, attracting tens of thousands of people, the majority of people attending were also White. I suspect (and I would like to hear the opinion of others on this point) that many White people see in Angus something comparable to an Old Testament prophet, called by God to give hope to the people of South Africa in times where many are uneasy about the future. What worries me – and I know, once again, that I have no proof to substantiate what I’m saying, merely a “gut feeling” – is that White people may have the hope that God is going to put South Africa back into the hands of the White people, or at least, in the hands of Christians, and I fear that this may be false hope.
The other concern I have is the reverence that people have for him. It is almost as if some people take his words to have even greater authority than the Bible. Or at least, his interpretation of the Bible is believed rather than the interpretation of people who are also serious about finding the true meaning of the Bible but who differ from him. For many people, the words of Angus Buchan has the highest authority. I’m sure that this isn’t what he wants, but I would be afraid if I myself ended up in such a position. I’m not sure whether I would really be able to handle this new-found glory in the right way. After last year’s conference I told many of my friends that we need to pray, if this man is really someone sent by God for these times in South Africa, that God would grant him the ability to remain humble.
As for myself: I have respect for Angus Buchan. I’m not a disciple of him, nor do I hate him. At this stage I prefer to follow the instruction in Acts 5:39 : “…if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.

Thursday, April 23, 2009 - Posted by Arnau van Wyngaard | AIDS, Cross-cultural experiences, Disappointments, Evangelicals, Evangelism, HIV, HIV & AIDS, Home-based Caring, Hope, Mission, Prayer, Racism, Swaziland, Theology | | 64 Comments

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  1. [...] Mission Issues put an intriguing blog post on The Angus Buchan PhenomenonHere’s a quick excerptIt seems you either love Angus Buchan , from Mighty Men Conference -fame, or you hate him. For those who don’t know whom I’m speaking about: Angus Buchan is a farmer living in the Kwazulu-Natal midlands in South Africa who started an evangelism ministry some years ago. About six or seven years ago I attended one of his services in the town where I live. I went absolutely open-minded, but left, deeply anguished by some things I saw that evening. (If you are interested in what happened, you [...]

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    • I must say that as I have only watched the movie and other info on Angus, I have no real first hand knowledge. Neither do I have any first hand knowledge of my G-d and Savior except what He does directly in my life and the lives of those I come in contact with daily. What I do know, however, is that Angus, I feel, would say, worship G-d not him. As John, a disciple, tried to do with the angels that came before him and amazed him as heavenly beings, it is hard, nay almost impossible, for us to not do that with those we hold in high respect unless we truly are not respectors of persons. Only when one can treat a poor beggar with the same kindness and respect as the president of a country, can you really have put yourself above such things. Angus is not the one guilty of worshipping idols, its the worshippers. May we all strive to become persons who ONLY Worship Jesus Christ, and trust in Him and his death and resurrection, ONLY. G-d bless you.

      Comment by Stacey Wilson | Thursday, June 25, 2009 | Reply

      • Stacey, I think you realize the danger of people idolizing their hero. Sometimes the person do not ask for it, but it happens. And few people can constantly be exposed to this type of honor and still remain humble.

        Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Thursday, June 25, 2009

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  3. [...] Mission Issues added an interesting post on The Angus Buchan PhenomenonHere’s a small excerptIt seems you either love Angus Buchan , from Mighty Men Conference -fame, or you hate him. For those who don’t know whom I’m speaking about: Angus Buchan is a farmer living in the Kwazulu-Natal midlands in South Africa who started an evangelism ministry some years ago. About six or seven years ago I attended one of his services in the town where I live. I went absolutely open-minded, but left, deeply anguished by some things I saw that evening. (If you are interested in what happened, you [...]

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  4. I think you have tackled a live one Arnau, I am not going to comment on Angus’ work as I believe that he is doing great work for the Lord.(Although he does not appeal to me)

    With regards to the white audience, (the same was noticed at the Daniel Conference), there can be many possible reasons, such as;

    - I think Angus , as well as many of these conferences appeal to a specific type of person, one who is driven by his emotions, I have noticed many stating that they need to “go for a top-up” when referring to these camps.

    - Perhaps such conferences are not advertised in a demographic manner, does it reach the entire population?

    - Perhaps we as white people have not been so successful in our mission work throughout Africa, perhaps we have not reached the millions of Africans, perhaps many still view God as the White man’s God?

    I agree with you that the biggest concern is the reverence people have for him, it’s amazing how many people asked me why I was not going to the MMC, almost as if I was expected to attend.

    As long as people realise that being a Christian is a life long relationship, one of being obedient to God, living the life that God expects you to live,and not an emotional roller coaster ride, all will be great…

    Comment by Vince Aslett | Friday, April 24, 2009 | Reply

  5. I read your article with interest. I work at a Christian bookshop in South Africa and one I see hundreds of wives who have prayed for someone to come along and touch their husbands hearts. White South African men have a unique facet in that under Christian education and through an army that was supposedly Christian they were taught to hate Blacks. While young men that did not do military service are more open to Christ those that did their national service struggle. They believed a lie given to them by supposedly Christians and are lost both spiritually and politically. I think that Angus Buchan has been given ‘keys’ that reach into the hearts of these men. I too have seen incredible changes in men especially with regards to racism that have attended his conferences.

    Comment by Tess | Friday, April 24, 2009 | Reply

    • Hey,I was just wondering what the things were at is meeting that made you feel anguish. I love God with all my heart I just watched the movie about him and wanna know what hese really like.
      God bless

      Comment by Randy | Friday, September 4, 2009 | Reply

  6. Vince, I actually expected much more response. Either people agree or they think I’m so far off that it’s not even worth responding. Or possibly, they’re at the Mighty Men Conference. I don’t want to downgrade what he’s doing. I have concerns. But then, to be honest, I would assume that a lot of people have concerns about my ministry in Swaziland as well!

    Tess, you made a few interesting and very valid remarks about White South African men. And I remain with the point I made last year “that he might just be God’s man for South Africa at this time.”

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Friday, April 24, 2009 | Reply

  7. Some people thrive on the emotional side, I have different needs, I need to know the why’s, what’s and who’s in my relationship with Jesus. I am not motivated by masses, or even evangelists. But, then again, thats me – other are different.

    Comment by Vince Aslett | Friday, April 24, 2009 | Reply

  8. You’ve started your letter with “you either love Angus Buchan or you hate him”. You ended your letter with “I’m not a disciple of him, nor do I hate him”.
    So What is it?
    You dont have a point.

    Comment by Gerda | Sunday, April 26, 2009 | Reply

  9. Gerda, you misquoted me. I said: “It seems you either love Angus Buchan, or you hate him.” There’s a big difference in meaning when you leave out the word “seems”. The point I was trying to make is where I think some of his popularity stems from and why, if I’m correct in my analysis, this may be a matter of concern. Then I ended the letter by saying: “As for myself: I have respect for Angus Buchan. I’m not a disciple of him, nor do I hate him.” Once again you only quoted part of the sentence. I have concerns but I also have appreciation for what he’s doing. And that, I think, was the point I was trying to make.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Sunday, April 26, 2009 | Reply

  10. I just finished watching Angus on DirecTV. I had never heard of him(I live in the U.S.). There were blacks in the audience, so it wasn’t an exclusively white audience. I was thrilled to hear someone like him preach. He kind of reminds me of John Wayne; the tough, no nonsense, rugged Westerner. I have often noticed that most of the internationally known preachers are white males. I can’t explain why that is: only God can explain it. But God is using these men to reach the world for Christ; so just thank God that someone is doing it. I hope that others will follow in their footsteps from places like India & Asia. I give to international Christian ministries that are reaching the world for Christ. Those who understand the concept of freedom from government mandated Socialism or Sharia Law & in individual responsibility are drawn to the message.

    Comment by John | Sunday, April 26, 2009 | Reply

  11. John, thanks for your comment. I agree with you that Angus could remind one of John Wayne. He speaks with a great deal of authority and many people are willing to listen to him who would never dream of listening to me. I’ve been away all weekend in the rural areas of Swaziland and thus have had no change to see anything on TV about the conference. I never said that it was an exclusive White audience. I said it was the majority who were White. I strongly suspect that it would have been the same this year. And I’m struggling with the question why this happens. What are White Evangelists doing wrong that Black people do not fully trust them?

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Sunday, April 26, 2009 | Reply

  12. I was at the Angus Buchan MMC 2009 and I also noticed the discrepancy between Europeans and non Europeans but what interested me most was the amount of Afrikaans speaking South Africans and I mean South Africans no specific race’s I was truly moved by what I saw I am an english speaking South African.
    I also noticed that the people were all extremely friendly towards each other there was no race distinction made everyone there was a christian man.

    Comment by Peter | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Reply

  13. Peter, thanks for that positive input. Once the people are there, something seems to happen and racial barriers disappear to a certain extent. In South Africa, where racism is still a big issue, I would love to see that a conference like this truly becomes a channel of hope for people from different races to learn to trust each other. But then the discrepancy between the races will have to become smaller. But I’m excited about the positive feedback up to now.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Reply

  14. you mentioned that you saw some things that brought you anguish in the conference, things that you chose not to discuss in the forum but petetioned email address if we wanted to know more..

    what did you see , experience that brought you concern, anguish?

    Comment by albert | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Reply

  15. Arnau,as a concerned Christian I would really be greatfull if you would let me know what brought you so much anguish.

    Comment by Roly | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Reply

  16. Arnau, I’d like to share a little from knowing Angus personally for about 10 years. I grew up about 15km from his farm and last met with him in December. I could not attend the conference since I live in the US at the moment.

    What I can tell you is, that I know no other man who is more sincere, more compassionate, more humble or loves God more than Angus. And the fruit of what he has done and is doing is awesome.

    What amazes me most about him as a person is, that he is the same person before 3 friends as he is before 200,000 men. At least he has been over the last 10 years that I have known him.

    Of course there is always much fear and concern when such huge events happen. And this leads to a lot of misinformation.

    I don’t know why mainly white Afrikaans speaking men are touched and drawn to his message. He hardly speaks any Afrikaans! Every major cultural group in South Africa (and the world) has its particular history of hurts and issues. Maybe the Afrikaans men admire the blunt, straight talk they get. They can also relate to him being a farmer and a no-nonsense kind of guy. So they trust him. Many other people groups find it harder to trust him, simply for these very same characteristics. They may look for a more intellectual person or a more artistic person, a more sensitive person, etc.

    I praise God for what He is doing through Angus. I know they (Shalom ministries) try to include and reach every race. Maybe Angus has been called mainly for the white Afrikaans men, who are often one of the hardest groups to reach.

    Comment by Marco | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Reply

  17. Marco, I deeply appreciate your comment which definitely sheds some light on my concerns. May I emphasize once again that I do not in the least doubt his sincerity nor the fact that I believe that God has a plan with and through him. I think my concerns are valid, but you may be correct that we Afrikaners need someone to speak clearly and directly to us.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Monday, April 27, 2009 | Reply

  18. We love his message. We are living in the USA. Many people here watched the conference live on the internet. His message is real, about a relationship with Jesus, not about religion. I am also encouraged that he lives out his faith by looking after the poor and the orphan.

    Comment by ron | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  19. Hi Ron. I don’t doubt for a moment that God is using him in a great way.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  20. Hi Arnau, I was unfortunately not able to attend the MMC this year, although I would really have liked to have been there. I would really like to know what caused your anguish at the conference you attended a few years ago, I would appreciate it if you could share your experiences with me.

    Thank you
    Buks

    Comment by Buks Beukes | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  21. Just back from MMC 09.
    Never seen such a humble guy in a position which he can easily misuse for his own fame and pocket!
    Wonder if the ladies would appreciate the very basic toilet and showering facilities, and male bodies clearly visible through the shadecloth screens??!
    Unfair! Many men of different colour and creed.
    For the Afrikaans…this was food for the hungry…maybe we Afrikaner Boere are more underfed than the Engish?

    Comment by Pieter Hugo | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  22. Pieter, I’m glad that you had such a good experience. All I’m asking for is that we keep on praying that he remains humble, because I’ve seen many a great preacher fall because of a lack of humility.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  23. I googled Angus to see if I can get any news on his health and ended up at your blog. I do not know who you are but you are clearly doing good work in the name of Jesus Christ. I just wonder what you’re trying to achieve by your comments “deeply anguished by some things I saw that evening” and “In spite of my negative experience at his service a few years ago.” Were you led by the Holy Spirit to include these comments in your post? Does it serve a purpose to create doubt – just look at the people that already wants more background on your “bad eperience”.

    Comment by Johan | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

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  25. Johan. Obviously I struggled with the same question. I can assure you that people on other blogs are saying terrible things about him. I have had a bad experience, something which I cannot deny, but I have also seen that, in spite of this, God is using him. And in my blog I wanted to try and give a balanced viewpoint between this love/hate feeling. I wanted to say that, in spite of myself having had a negative experience, that I still want to accept that God can and is using him. Be assured that I did not include this sentence without thinking deeply about whether I should do so or rather leave it out.
    Up to now 355 people have opened this post and only 4 were interested to hear from me what had happened. So I’m not really concerned that this created any deep feelings of doubt. But I do appreciate your concern about this and makes me realize how sensitive one has to be when blogging about something like this.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  26. Arnau, people saying terrible things about Angus cannot possibly be Christians guided by the Holy Spirit. Who are we to judge Angus’ “motives” – he will have to answer to God. One has obvious fears that a “Angus-phenomenon” gets created, but being in Angus’ shoes – how do you prevent it? On a personal note I can just say that I haven’t ever experienced someone that has so much love for his fellow man as Angus has – and isn’t that the essence of Christianity?

    Comment by Johan | Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | Reply

  27. [...] for sunshine. He also attacks the “Angus-men” for the nonsense they speak. In my recent post on The Angus Buchun Phenomenon, I asked the question what it is that is causing so many men, the vast majority whom are White, to [...]

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  28. High, just watching the move Faith like Potatoes and trying to find out more about the man and what he teaches. I have seen complaints that he is tied into dominionist theology and the likes of C. Peter Wagner and company. I have seen folks proclaiming his preaching of Jesus. I really want to know more about the man and what he teaches. I want to know if he has a “come here” to experience God view of revial, or of people turning their minds and hearts to Jesus.

    Also to the Blog author, please do not take the words of Gamaliel as any sort of Biblical direction. Many things not of God stand and more so as these last days approach. I would appreciate hearing more of your concerns and can email me and peacebringer@peacebringer.net

    Comment by peacebringer | Sunday, May 3, 2009 | Reply

  29. Arnau, I listen to Mr Buchan’s messages on TV and have heard him saying that he would love to see more Black people at his conferences. Maybe they will grow in numbers as time goes by. I hope so!
    Sophie

    Comment by Sophie | Sunday, May 3, 2009 | Reply

  30. Peacebringer, I take Gamaliel’s words as a general direction when I’m not sure about things happening in the church. Certain things are important enough to fight for. Others need time to prove whether they are from God or not. But I take your words to heart.

    Sophie, I truly hope that this will happen. But then, I cannot see it happening while White people are still waving the old South African flag and even the “Vierkleur” – the old Transvaal flag which is used by some people to show that they are true Afrikaners, at this conference.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Sunday, May 3, 2009 | Reply

  31. I know I have not even got the slightest understanding of wat you folks go through in South Africa. I know South Africa has been the target of many, many using ways to draw folks to false peace, when true peace only is found is Jesus. Personally, I find to pray and ask God for wisdom when we are uncertain of things. We don’t have to sit and wait and see. We can ask for wisdom. God will give wisdom and we need to trust what God says. Sometimes we need to do some sorting out what is of self and what is of God, but we need wisdom none the less.

    Comment by peacebringer | Monday, May 4, 2009 | Reply

  32. Arnau, sorry to say but it seems to me that you’ve got some sort of chip on your shoulder regarding white/black issues – I’m referring to your comment to Sophie. The vast majority of men who attended, me included, didn’t even see the “Vierkleur” let alone associate themselves with it. Why is it that people focus on the negative ecxeptions to create debate? I can gaurantee you that the increased presence of black/coloured/Indian men(in fact I saw a number of Indian men) would be welcomed by, again, the vast majority that attended. Have you perhaps considered that black men do not have the need to attend the MMC? I suggest you do a poll under black men to gain some insight and stop speculating.

    Comment by Johan | Tuesday, May 5, 2009 | Reply

  33. Johan. Ouch! That really hurt!

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Tuesday, May 5, 2009 | Reply

    • Not my intention. I just struggle with discussions that are founded on speculation, which in turn are fuelled by biased, pre-conceived perceptions – it usually snowballs out of control and in the process causes more damage than good.

      Comment by Johan | Tuesday, May 5, 2009 | Reply

  34. Hi Arnau,

    I attended the MMC2008 and 2009. Actually took my 10 year old son along this time, even though the recomended age restriction was 12.

    2008 was a magnificient experience, as I was struggling through a three year spirtual drought, personally, which cultivated in a deeper and more meaningful relationship with God after the 2008 MMC.

    However, after 2009 I have some concerns myself, which I will gladly discuss with you in private e-mail, as I’m also not sure if Angus if of God or not. I have some personal concerns with stuff I experienced and discovered during and after the 2009 MMC, but do not want to stand publically in God’s way, by communicating such to the public, unless I have exact discernment from the Holy Spirit, regarding this.

    What I’m saying is that although I have concenrs I do not want to influence others negatively. I have huge respect for Angus as I too feel he has a true love for his fellow man, white, black, coloured, indian, pink, green, what ever colour, etc. If my feelings of unease is unfounded and the Holy Spirit indicates this to me, and the fruits of Angus’s labor prooves his righteousness, I will publically confirm this, but do not in the meantime, (before receiving discernment) want to influence others either way.

    I’m sure this is your feeling as well.

    I thus invite you to share your concerns with me via my e-mail supplied.

    PS: I have never come across your site before, and don’t know your approach. For that matter I don’t mind about your approach, I just seek the truth and am prepared to discuss my convictions ona level playing field with a nyone who cares/dares to listen and contribute.

    Maybe I should start my own blog?? :-)

    Comment by Ryno | Wednesday, May 13, 2009 | Reply

  35. Hi Arnau

    I’m interested in what happened. I would also like to know what it is that Ryno has to share, if possible.

    Greetings
    JJ

    Comment by JJ | Sunday, May 17, 2009 | Reply

  36. I would appreciate an email with your concerns. Just watched “Faith Like Potatoes” and would like more information on this man’s ministry before promoting it. Thank you.

    Comment by Randall | Monday, May 18, 2009 | Reply

  37. Hi there mr.Angus
    I saw your video of your life and I have to say It’s amazing,I’ve never seen anything like it!Once Again it’s great.

    Comment by machel | Monday, May 25, 2009 | Reply

  38. You had said you had attended an event led by Angus Buchan and that you had seensome things that left you “deeply anguished”. That if we wanted to we could email you about these things.

    I would greatly appreciate hearing these things from you as his ministry/teachings is seeping into my Canadian church and I am unclear about a lot of things.

    Thank you.

    Rev. Frank Krulicki
    Athabasca Missionary Church
    Athabasca, Alberta, Canada

    Comment by Rev. Frank Krulicki | Monday, June 8, 2009 | Reply

    • I also would like to know exactly what anguished you at the mens conference, I have just “dicovered” Angus and am curios.

      Comment by cynthia sieve | Saturday, October 24, 2009 | Reply

  39. Frank, you will have to let me have your email address.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Monday, June 8, 2009 | Reply

  40. HI. I think to question is always a good thing, it leaves you open to different answers as well as looking for soulutions.

    Please e-mail me with things that left you “deeply anguished”

    Regards

    Darryl

    Comment by Darryl | Wednesday, June 10, 2009 | Reply

  41. Arnau, I recently watched Faith Like Potatoes with my wife, who rented it out of the blue, so to speak. We had never heard of Angus. We just heard of MMC, which we also had not known about from some South Africans living in Minnesota. They grew up near Angus, next farm over, and claim he is the real deal. I am always a bit skeptical with charismatic claims and the like as I come from a fundamentalist background, but the Lord is opening us up to the working of the Holy Spirit in new ways. I would appreciate hearing from you privately, as to your concerns and anguish. My wife and I have been to Zambia on numerous occasions and worked with HIV/Aids and orphans, so this is near to our hearts, the events of sub-Saharan Africa that is. Thanks. Dan

    Comment by Dan Jozefow | Saturday, June 13, 2009 | Reply

  42. Thursday, April 23, 2009 – Posted by Arnau van Wyngaard – Dear Sir, you should rather aim to use your efforts to focus on what you are doing with your faith for the Kingdom of God and not waste any time or effort putting any kind of slant on the works carried out by a fellow believer believing to be following Gods call for his live. Each to his own, what you and I do will be judged by God, that’s what is written in the book. If we’re luke warm we’re failing. Kind regards, Thane (UK)

    Comment by Thane van Niekerk | Monday, June 15, 2009 | Reply

  43. I’d be interested in hearing about your experience, and your thoughts on it. Thank you.

    Comment by Jonathan | Saturday, June 27, 2009 | Reply

  44. Please let me have your insights as to what caused you to leave deeply anguished. Thanks. David

    Comment by David | Sunday, June 28, 2009 | Reply

  45. Dear Sirs.

    I attended MMC09. What I find hilarious is all the comments of people that were not there. I found JESUS my saviour on a maize field near Greytown Not Angus.This is after attending church for close on 45 years where I did not find Him. (All of you sound very like all of my old ministers I had) Yes I had all the theoretical knowledge but it never touched my heart.

    I came back crying solidly for 2 weeks. Not because of Angus.

    I used to be a complete racist as I am 53 years old and grew up under the old ways.

    I have a employee (black not that it is of importance only for you that are colour blind) that I only know found out (after 10 years in my service) is a minister. He is at this stage my main source of spiritual guidance.

    Each mornig we have bible study together.

    He will definately be attending MMC10 with me (God willing)

    I the racist got very cross the other day because as I talked about an orphanage, 2 different people asked me if it were white children and the only answer I could muster were “does it matter”

    So if you people are so stupid that you cannot see that these conferences are about Jesus and not Angus. Please yust shut up.

    Maybe every person is a fiddle and different people can either bring out the sweetest sound or the worst or maybe nothing which I had for 53 years.

    Angus brought out the sweetest music in me and the song is Jesus.

    Please I do not say Angus is a saint in acual fact I see him as a farmer,but something he did there worked for me and I say Haleluja.

    Surely you should be rejoicing if people accepts our LORD Jesus Christ as there saviour (and there were thousands). Our Farmers Manual tells us the Angels do. But you just critisise WOW (or was it because they were white sic).

    Watch and see how many people of colour will attend next year. (God willing)

    Your brother in Christ
    Jan

    Comment by Jan Ackerman | Wednesday, July 8, 2009 | Reply

  46. Jan, I’m so glad that you met the Lord. I rejoice with the angels.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Wednesday, July 8, 2009 | Reply

  47. Thank you Arnau.

    Please pray for us (meaning all of us that came to Jesus there on the maize field) as we are busy going through fire (loaned from Angus), help and support us.

    Angus may have sown the seed but now we need water and food from you and other people.

    Maybe we should forget about Angus (Praise the Lord for what he achieves by getting sinners as myself accepting Jesus as his Saviour) and start thinking about what we can do for the people that accepted Jesus as there saviour via Angus.

    Maybe Arnau there is a guy close to you that met his saviour via Angus. Please Help him.

    Just remeber MMC09 is over Angus in the past and all those guys are in the present, there daytime occupations, life. Pray for them and if possible Help them.

    I hope and pray that the Lord will help Angus and whoever to bring millions of people to Jesus. It’s not about Angus it’s about Him.

    Yours in Christ
    Jan

    Comment by Jan Ackerman | Thursday, July 9, 2009 | Reply

  48. Brother Arnau,
    Greetings from Brazil!
    Thank you for having such an interesting website available to us.
    What has made you feel “deeply anguished” when attending Angus Buchan’s conference? Please email me as I would like to hear what you have to say. I appreciate the concern and Fear of the Lord you expressed by not discussing it in an open forum. Please email me at caram@wesbrasil.com.br
    Caram

    Comment by Carlos Dallapiccola | Tuesday, July 14, 2009 | Reply

  49. É muito interessante, quando não tem ninguém para ir e Deus levanta uma pessoa apareçe de todos os lados aqueles para criticarem, porque não fazer como Angus, busque ao Senhor Jesus e Ele esclarecerá todas as coisas. Simplismete orem e parem de criticar. edson kovacs

    Comment by edson carlos kovacs | Wednesday, August 26, 2009 | Reply

  50. Hi,

    Kindly email me what concerned you about AB at your initial encounter in a service with him.

    I am keen on your response, as I too was invited and had a good experience, but also a warning light going off to keep tabs on something.

    Thank you

    Comment by Dsa | Sunday, September 13, 2009 | Reply

  51. Hi,
    I stumbled across this web site by chance…..and the main issues are:
    - Why only white males?
    - Is the messenger becoming bigger than the message?
    - A perceived discontent about a previous message.
    A careful study of the message that Angus preach will show the reader that all these concerns are unfounded. A lot of bloggers are very interested in what YOUR previous experience was, if you wanted to sow a seed of discontent, congratulations …..I actually deduct a little professional jealousy :) Angus repeatedly stated that he preaches from the Bible….just conveying what God says.I thank God for preachers and believers like Angus,may God bless him.

    Comment by Cobus | Sunday, September 27, 2009 | Reply

  52. It seems to me that we should not be judgemental toward Angus. He seems to be doing what God has led him to do and he seems very sincere and a person with very strong faith. May God continue to bless him and his ministry. With all the problems in the world today we should be thankful for Angus and men like him. He seems to be touching lives in a very positive way and leading many to know our Savior.

    Comment by Patricia | Friday, October 9, 2009 | Reply

  53. Arnau

    I came across your post here about Angus Buchan and having seen the movie, I, like many others here am interested in yours and anyone else’s experiences at the conferences they would like to share. I would welcome an email concerning your concerns with Buchan’s ministry.

    Comment by David | Tuesday, October 13, 2009 | Reply

  54. I would just like to know what your true concern is about Angus Buchan. We enjoyed the Movie-Faith Like Potatoes and the interviews with Mr Buchan. David V Deitz USA

    Comment by David Deitz | Monday, October 26, 2009 | Reply

  55. Thank you for your comments.

    It is great to hear different thoughts as they encourage our own personal thoughts and can lead us to further understanding.

    I think it is natural to be skeptical when you find yourself in a miraculous and unexpected situation.

    Also, when the speaker is so passionate, it can be difficult to reach an equilibrium with them. This is understood.

    I would like to hear more of your experience during this meeting.
    Please e-mail me on gjc1441@hotmail.com

    Comment by Gwenda | Wednesday, October 28, 2009 | Reply

  56. People, please stop thinking black and white!

    By thinking black and white you are missing the point.

    The point being – there is colour.

    There is colour all around us and we would be wise to recognize it.

    Comment by onwithit | Wednesday, October 28, 2009 | Reply

  57. I think either you or I am missing the point. There is colour as you said. My problem is that these meetings are being attended mostly by white men and I see a danger in this, that instead of coming closer to Christians representing other colours, we may be driving further apart.

    Comment by Arnau van Wyngaard | Wednesday, October 28, 2009 | Reply

  58. To heal our land is to believe in God, asking and believe that wat ever we ask in God”s Name that He will give to us without a doubt. To heal our land is also to give the gifts that God would give to us. We are working on a project, to help people to help themselfes. Don”t give some one a fish to eat, He will stand at your door and ask for a fish everyday. But give him a fishing rod and teach him how to fish and he won”t ask you for food, because he will have fish to eat. All we ask for all Children of God is to pray for us, so that this project will grow strong and that millions of people will benifit from it.
    That we will never take our eyes of God and trust in Him fully.

    God bless you all.

    Comment by Kobus | Thursday, November 5, 2009 | Reply


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